We’re in danger of losing our WNY online garden group because of one word. Hoe. Sometimes, Facebook seems to understand that this is a garden tool and leaves it be. Other times, it removes comments or posts in which “hoe” appears because these posts “violate community standards.” Yes, this is very, very silly, but, in some cases, a group admin has used the dreaded word and admin violations can get your group disappeared by the Facebook algorithmic overlords. Yes, we know why the word is being targeted. We suppose.
While I’ve been the first to complain about the strange adherences to bizarre and ineffective home remedies and the endless worrying about nonissues that I’ve noticed in the group, I also think that—on the whole—it’s helping gardeners. We have almost 7,500 members and still receive dozens of requests to join daily. People are learning and, more important, people are encouraging each other. Every day I see comments from members about how happy they are to be able to share the day-to-day of gardening with this online community.
Have you ever tried to communicate with Facebook? Not easy. And, I am pretty sure, absolutely futile. Yes, I have messaged, “This is a gardening group. A hoe is a gardening tool,” only to receive surveys and lists of more ways to message them. I get the feeling that trying to get through would be a fulltime job and would still end in frustration and disappointment.
This is not a huge problem for me. I have (sort of) a hoe (shown above) but never use it and have no intention of ever talking about it in the group. However, it’s unrealistic to expect that of others. We can make hoe a special keyword and delete all posts containing it as soon as we are alerted, but that seems … ridiculous.
In the meantime, if this post brings down Garden Rant, along with its 15 years of archives, I’m sorry. It’s been nice knowing you!
Aaaargh!!!!!
I dont see the issue either way. If a person is a hoe there shouldn’t be backlash for stating facts.
If its a garden tool you’re refferring too there should also be no backlash.
Will never understand how such a public platform can be allowed to censor so much and a free country. Other countries are working on putting a stop too it but ignorant Americans are too busy being offended by things to think.
These rants are always enjoyable.
Haha! I titled one of my blog posts “Tommies!” and it was removed by Blogger. Apparently, “tommies” is a euphemism for something other than Crocus tommassinianus. A human being must have actually looked at the post, as it was reinstated before I was aware it had even been removed.
I stand with my hoe.
Too funny that FB took years to ban The Former Guy for his multiple online sins, including Inciting Insurrection, but an innocent garden tool mention …
Beyond ridiculous.
And people wonder why I am not on Facebook. . .
Guess we’d have to use the much more awkward term “cultivating tool”.
I feel that. Our local gardening group has had similar problems, especially with so many newbies who don’t understand there are alternatives to kneeling in the garden and hand-pulling weeds. **FUME**
And yes, I have tried communicating with FB. There’s no real person there, unless that person is simply there to push the “DENY” button on every incoming protest.
I’m definitely not a newbie gardener and I always hand pull weeds. Never could catch on to using a hoe to weed. Now it’s too hard on my back.
So silly. Facebook has taken down my facebook marketplace posts because it has flagged them that I am selling wild animals. Lion’s tail is a plant. I am not actually selling real lion tails.
And what about lambs’ ears??
I “get” this. When I worked at a university, I set up our school’s very first Facebook account. I was unfamiliar with Facebook, so when I began receiving friend requests, I approved every one of them, after all we had a huge number of students. After okaying some 250+ friends, Facebook said I was being too friendly, and they banned me from any activity for 2 days. Geez! (I will never be a Facebook member. Ever.) I’m pretty certain Facebook would ban Santa’s “Ho-ho-ho!” if he joined.
I’m exhausted even reading this, much less having to deal with it. Good luck! – MW
I wonder what would happen if I posted on Facebook about my hoe collection? I’m tempted…
Just take care not to use explanation marks.
What’s absurd is that Facebook does not have effective and quick mechanisms for easily disputing these judgments. Seriously. In fact, why can’t they code to look at the word “hoe” and then look at the context words around it? Then again, their “groups” software is rudimentary compared with any other forum software, including Ye Olde Yahoogroups.
Well, I once had a bent hoe in my garden. Never again!
I hope you can get this straightened out! How ridiculous! I enjoy reading posts and catching up on where I used to live. I love that in the author’s bio, it says, “She lives and gardens in Buffalo, N.Y., which, far from the frozen wasteland many assume it to be, is a lush paradise of gardens, historic architecture, galleries, museums, theaters, and fun.” This is such a true statement! Buffalo is an understated and undervalued gem.
What will happen when people start growing and posting on FB pics of their Clitoria fragrans?
Or their Clitoria ternatea. Common name: Asian pigeon wings.Thanks for this reference, Linus, it made my day.
I dont see the issue either way. If a person is a hoe there shouldn’t be backlash for stating facts.
If its a garden tool you’re refferring too there should also be no backlash.
Will never understand how such a public platform can be allowed to censor so much and a free country. Other countries are working on putting a stop too it but ignorant Americans are too busy being offended by things to think.
It’s not just gardeners. Apparently astronomers are not allowed to talk about black holes. I know this is a tangent! Get out a xxx and weed out my comment!
Maybe it would help is you more specifically identified the type of hoe. In the privacy of my roof garden, I prefer a scuffle hoe, but I guess they might think that referenced a position.
Now I feel so confined, I not sure I can even share one of my long-deceased father’s corny jokes — the one where they’ve verified that Santa Claus was a farmer — traced him back through his language; he’s always saying, “ho, ho, ho”, although maybe he could be just calling a favorite companion. Now I’ve done it; I’ve sullied Santa’s name!
Actually, identifying the hoe (Japanese, Korean, Push Pull) kinda makes it worse. Way worse.
Well, it might help wean people off using this awful tool in the ornamental garden….
I was put in FB jail for a story I wrote about a raccoon in my barn- a nice story- but I used a shortened word for raccoon. Protesting the suspension did no good. And yesterday they told me they were taking a picture off because it violated community standards- a picture I posted over a year ago.
Back on the long-ago early days of computing, Univ of MD programs that looked for bad words had issues with Cock/Hen as variable names. It’s an agricultural school! That was my first experience with the challenges of moderating words in computing. It remains a challenge. Context is important, in so many areas of life. With advances in algorithms it would seem that context bracketing would be improving by now, though it probably still requires humans who have knowledge of the subject matters to enhance the models. I’m glad I’m not in charge 🙂
Nanny software at my office once stopped me from looking up an article on vaginitis. I’m a physician — we don’t have off-limits body parts!
Ban Facebook! Freedom for the masses!
Never in my life would I have predicted 20 years ago during the initial boom years of the internet when you could say whatever you wanted whenever you wanted wherever you wanted, that this insanely idiotic place is where we’d be today, with ever increasing censorship on every major public outlet on the internet everywhere to the point that the laughably innocuous word “hoe” gets you banned from online fora. Wanna talk about genetic engineering of pathogens in the comments section of youtube? Well you’d better not use the phrase “engineered virus” or you’ll see your comment instantly memory-holed by the all powerful artificial “intelligence” algorithms that be! Want to discuss the finer points of dry, salted, baked soup toppings on a cooking video? Well you’d better not use the word “cracker” anywhere or your comment will be instadeleted!
And the most galling part of it all is that it’s not coming from government, it’s coming from private industry, so there’s no first amendment rules applicable! They can ban and delete and erase all day long without a legal care in the world, and all done in the name of “trust and safety”! I’m utterly disgusted with the outrageous present state of freedom of speech and expression censorship on the internet.
You’ve gone viral!
Years ago, I set up a google alert for “hoe collection” to see if anyone else was posting about all their hoes or mine. Until this week, I don’t think I got many hits. Now, every day, I’m being alerted to the news and commentators who have picked up on this and written about FB and the trials and tribulations of the WNY gardening group. Well, three so far…
There is way more. We had an Inside Edition interview yesterday. It’s crazy. That’s what AP stories do.