The garden is about to peak, Charles says. As I’m very focused on later flowers I’m surprised for a moment. Then he says that the ramblers are out and I acquiesce. At least three are impressive monsters and one of them, Wichurana, has a fantastic perfume, which you can smell from yards away. Which is special in a scented flower, as most require nose sticking.

A monster, full of scent.
Felicia
And our shrub rose bed is doing its thing at the same time. Unusually we don’t have a random, or even carefully selected group of roses. We have gone all out for one rose, one which we love, and one which, in the right weather, also scents the air. We have something like nine or ten Felicia in one bed. (Sounds wild!) Felicia is a hybrid musk, and has been delighting people for over a century now. But check the disease and pests it is liable to, via that link.
And it was this rose which exasperated me today and made me wonder, not for the first time, whether roses are worth the trouble. Because they are unusually troublesome in my opinion. Many are subject to a variety of illnesses and fungus. They mostly wish to be pruned, at least once a year, and they have thorns! I know this to my cost, since earlier this year I got one stuck in a finger and the next day my finger swelled up and went all red. I looked it up on Dr Google and learnt I could die of this. I didn’t, as you have guessed, but it did spoil a whole morning.
Browning
And why did Felicia exasperate me? Because it has hundreds and hundreds of flowers – though I confess I haven’t actually counted them – and lots of them have overnight decided they are done. They have gone brown. Brown is not good. It looks bad. It makes me hit it, which does indeed cause many unsightly brown blobs drop off, but not, damn it, all of them. What a ghastly trick. What else goes over so maliciously?? It wants pruning again and I only did it a few months ago.

Look at the brown!!!!

Felicia – isn’t she gorgeous?! When she’s not gone brown…….
Hedge trimmer?? Well, maybe, except I have the added frivolity of a clematis growing over them, to complement their second flowering. Sigh. I did deadhead them last year and I did get a good second flowering but I’m not sure I can face it again.
Ugly legs
Those of us with sceptical eyes also know that most roses are not delightful to look at in winter. Most shrub or bush roses have ugly legs and display them for all to see when the leaves are down. Sometimes, in the hybrid tea and similar models, they show their legs in summer too. Yuk.
They used to give a rose to us lucky speakers at the Hay Festival, along with a far more welcome bottle of booze. They were the most horrible things you can imagine. Stiff and ugly on an enormous stalk. Scentless, just to make fools of all those who inevitably sniffed them. Their only possible merit would be as an assault weapon.

Me at Hay Festival – but I couldn’t find a pic of the ghastly rose! (Yes, that is the revered Tim Richardson interviewing me. Happy day)
Scent
Most roses though, are beautiful and somehow evocative. Even a photograph of one beautiful rose flower in the middle of winter can lift the spirits. So when they haven’t gone all brown and dishevelled, they can be a pleasure. That does draw you to an inevitable sniff and surprisingly that is not always rewarding. Sometimes, nothing. But recently we came across one that was actually horrid. Which had us both repeatedly sniffing, in disbelief and distaste. Strangely I didn’t take note of the name.
So. Hm. I haven’t yet tipped into getting rid of them. And Charles is quite right, the ramblers are a Thing. And they are no trouble generally speaking, though the one attempting to wrap itself round our broadband fibre cable may be inviting problems. Apart from things like that, they may be kind. They don’t need pruning (though there IS a pruning trick. Wait for next post..) unless you have been mad enough to plant one over a small arch (you know who I am thinking of, Jessica..). The flowers are mostly small and mostly disappear discreetly. And they have an undoubted wow factor.
However, I also have to admit that most of our ramblers have struggled up to the top of trees and flower there, hardly visible to frustrated earth bound humans.

Paul’s Himalayan Musk. Can you see it? What is the point of that!?
And why are so many ramblers white!!??

Charles at Hampton Court, Herefordshire, enjoying a white rambler…and a browned off lilac – roses are not the only thing which can go over badly.
There is a garden not far from us which has grown ramblers over everything, everywhere, just rambler rambler rambler everywhere you look. I do get bored of mediocre gardens being described as ‘inspiring’ but this one is not mediocre and really and truly is inspiring, for those with space. I might even have done the same thing if I’d seen it early enough and believed that I could have settled for two or three amazing weeks every year. I’ll introduce you to it in my next post.
So I won’t dispose of the roses yet. Indeed, we have one, Kiftsgate, growing over the garage roof and I often wonder how on earth we will dispose or manage that when the roof inevitably disintegrates. It has made its own little world up there, a true roof garden, except that no-one can go near it. I have no idea what is now growing with it after 30 odd years.
And, what do you know? I just filled three empty pots on our terrace with…roses. They smell gorgeous..
I know partially why you are such a talented gardener; you have a good sense of humor! I love roses and yes, I have too many and still looking at rose catalogs. Really enjoy your posts.
Thank you – very encouraging. At least as far as writing is concerned, maybe not so much growing roses!
If you have limited space it might be a waste, but I really like what you said here. I planted some roses for a client on their retaining wall this morning and was wondering the same thing.
Ah, now, roses and walls, that’s interesting. I will have things to say about that soon……
All I know is that last photo is gorgeous.
Wow – thank you!
Roses legitimately depress me. I know when I buy one, it will act up a couple years down the road: black spot, aphids, thrips, you name it. I have had my heart broken by an iceberg rose and two Pat Austins. I still have 3 or so rosesin my garden, but I don’t pay much attention to them. Two have reverted to the deep red root stock; I think one was a bonica rose, and one was a Cecile Brunner. (I like the deep red better than the pale pink anyway.) One is one of those “landscape roses” that I bought on a whim and that I can’t see anyway, since the bee balm I ripped out last year came back with a vengeance and is now growing in front of it. (I refer to those knockout roses as the clip on ties of the rose world.) I know I’ll never stop buying a rose now and again, and I also know that no matter how great it’s doing, it will be hard to enjoy it, waiting for the hammer to fall.
O – I didn’t even mention those roses on different root stock. I recently took some of those out after years of trying to deal with the mess created by two roses growing in the same space. Such a pain. When else would we be happy to buy a plant along with another that is just waiting to have its wicked way and destroy the plant you bought??
I don’t think roses are a waste of space, but I wouldn’t dedicate a whole bed to them and I would never grow a rambler – climbing roses give me enough grief without ramblers. I grow roses here and there, in amongst that perennials so that you see the blooms but not their ugly legs. Interestingly, I was at Sarah Raven’s garden last week and she says that growing salvias with roses, stops them getting blackspot so I’m going to try that.
They do say that. I haven’t tried it. I
I think the legs thing is at its worst in those public plantings which grow stalky roses in bare soil….
Nice information. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the world
Thank you. The world can be remarkably forgiving.
Maybe that lilac should be described as “blossom changing to russet” – it’s not a bug, it’s a feature!
Perhaps I could persuade myself of the same with regard to brown roses……
This is very useful information. Thank you for sharing your worldview with us. Even a snapshot of a single lovely rose bloom in the dead of winter may cheer you up. So long as they haven’t become brown and disheveled, they can be enjoyable.
I have more than I should have for my small garden, but I cut them back pretty hard after the first flush and they do provide good support structures for clematis and lilium.
The clematis are happy with the cut back?
I drool over photos of roses — especially those that would never survive a Quebec winter — but rarely do anything other than scowl at them in my own garden. I’m never satisfied; they never grow as robustly or bloom as magnificently as they do in the catalogues.
One of the first changes I made to the garden that existed at Glen Villa 20+ years ago when we first moved in was to remove formal beds of Peace roses. The flowers were pretty, the bushes required far too much work and several died every winter. But I keep trying to grow roses even so. In fact, I just planted a whole bed of them, Chinook Sunrise, in a circular bed that I’ve named the Compass Rose. So far, beautiful blooms and no bugs or black spots. But I’m not holding my breath.
I see your rose doesn’t need deadheading. A great choice. If only I could start again….But Peace was a dreadful rose, I thought, and totally scentless?
Good luck with the new garden!! Xxx
I’m mostly a CA native plant gardener, but have a lot of roses and care for lots more in my professional work… so, YES, I have thought a lot about this subject. I even wrote a novel titled Roses which is about people not roses, but in which the theme (inaction causes tragedy) could be said to apply to most roses, as you pointed out. My featured rose in the novel is rosa alba incarnata, but in real life I prefer the newish ground cover roses that don’t require pruning or as much water or even fertilization, really. They might be considered quite boring, however: no scent and sturdy serviceable colors but nothing sock-knocking-off worthy. Enjoyed your rant.
Thanks for this – we’re all in it together I think. But those scentless ground coverers do seem a bit soulless…?
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may. Rose Rosette Virus has decimated many gardens in several states. I have lost more than 30 in the gardens I care for in Texas and Kentucky and I pray that it does not cross the pond.
O, no! Never come across that! Had Box blight, holly blight, Phytophthora, fireblight, honey fungus…. (yep, wrote a book about the lot) but that one is new to me. Would you mind very much keeping that to yourselves?
Blasphemy! All I have to offer are two words: ‘Lillian Vernon’, the name of a healthy and beautiful once-blooming rose. Perhaps not fragrant, but a display and shrub form without many peers.
Well, perhaps depending on your climate, ‘Hope for Humanity,’ ‘Snow Pavement’, and ‘Polareis’. At least these three seem resistant right now to Rose Rosette. As Jenny noted, my garden has been decimated so I’m gathering rugosas while I may.
I am still in shock about a new disease. But thank you for the pointers to possibilities, should anyone dare plant more roses……Name correction noted!
And….I’m an idiot. The rose is ‘Lillian Gibson’, not Lillian Vernon. Imagine confusing a great rose with a mediocre design company!
I dig (!) plants that look good even when not in flower. Roses don’t pass this test for me.
That’s a good consideration…..
I had to rip out all knockouts due to that disease a few years ago. Luckily my Mortimer Sackler and Abraham Darby haven’t been affected. I wouldn’t bother if they didn’t look and smell so good, roses can definitely be a pain in the neck.
That’s it, in a nutshell.